tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post1659983575265475325..comments2024-03-27T03:29:34.665-07:00Comments on Politically-incorrect Politics: Israelis, Palestinians and ‘Love Island’Politically-incorrect Politicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17497370574189073046noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post-63643579043972033532022-05-23T04:42:17.806-07:002022-05-23T04:42:17.806-07:00No to the 1st question and (as far as I know) no t...No to the 1st question and (as far as I know) no to the 2nd. I am skeptical that such discussions are likely to take place anytime soon. The 'scenarios' I discussed did not by and large result from formal negotiations, but occurred 'naturally' in time.Politically-incorrect Politicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17497370574189073046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post-9431917028316748702022-05-21T05:09:17.662-07:002022-05-21T05:09:17.662-07:00Did you ever get around to spelling out some "...Did you ever get around to spelling out some "island-scenarios" - or (more importantly) are any in discussion right now between parties representative enough (but unofficial enough to be able to be creative) to influence discussion in Israel and among Palestinians?Martin Anantharamanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03424778253646767391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post-12835816516415111852022-05-08T12:09:23.916-07:002022-05-08T12:09:23.916-07:00شركة تسليك مجاري بالقطيف
شركة تنظيف مكيفات بالقطيف...<a href="https://www.al-mnarr.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d8%b3%d9%84%d9%8a%d9%83-%d9%85%d8%ac%d8%a7%d8%b1%d9%8a-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%82%d8%b7%d9%8a%d9%81/" rel="nofollow">شركة تسليك مجاري بالقطيف</a><br /><a href="https://www.al-mnarr.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d9%86%d8%b8%d9%8a%d9%81-%d9%88-%d8%b5%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86%d8%a9-%d9%85%d9%83%d9%8a%d9%81%d8%a7%d8%aa-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%82%d8%b7%d9%8a%d9%81/" rel="nofollow">شركة تنظيف مكيفات بالقطيف</a><br /><a href="https://www.al-mnarr.com/%d8%b4%d8%b1%d9%83%d8%a9-%d8%aa%d9%86%d8%b8%d9%8a%d9%81-%d8%a8%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%82%d8%b7%d9%8a%d9%81/" rel="nofollow">شركة تنظيف بالقطيف</a><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post-35057815885621628392019-11-11T12:32:48.389-08:002019-11-11T12:32:48.389-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.mary Brownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03009747904538072746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post-59648891498165674142019-09-03T03:46:05.518-07:002019-09-03T03:46:05.518-07:00Many thanks, Robert. Your comment about the react...Many thanks, Robert. Your comment about the reaction of the 'anti-Israel brigades' is entirely valid, provided Israel implements such an arrangement unilaterally. But what if it is part of a larger arrangement, with US and Arab world (including Palestinian) agreement? I am not naive: I completely understand that such agreement is difficult to even imagine today. But then, 25 years after Oslo, the '2-state solution' also seems difficult to imagine. If you and I were Palestinian Arabs, would we really support the '2-state solution'? Beyond all other issues (false narratives, incitement, etc), as intelligent people we could not miss the point that, even if some sort of 'Palestinian state' would emerge from that solution, it would most probably be a poor, totalitarian, failed state. Not a very attractive proposition for those concerned not just with nationalist aspirations, but also with providing a decent life for their families. To at least some of those, a broad, extensive internal political autonomy coupled with welfare fueled by Israel's powerhouse economy may actually be a more attractive proposition. I believe this is What Trump, Kushner and co. have in mind. This may be difficult (or more likely impossible) to implement now; but what if the economic part starts to be implemented first, so people can begin to feel and gauge the potential benefits of such an arrangement? Even if eventually the autonomy will become an independent state, this would serve as an interim solution, helping bridge over the lack of trust and the enmity. Again, I am NOT saying that this is possible today, or that it would be easy tomorrow. But let's change the conversation, at least. Today, we are all in a state of paralysis; 'the 2-state solution' has become a meaningless mantra, as detached from reality as anything. The 'one-state solution' is nothing but a recipe for a civil war that would make the ones in Lebanon and Syria pale by comparison. We have a choice: throw our hands up in despair, or believe in human creativity. I choose the latter. Even in my lifetime, I have see many 'impossible' things come true: the fall of 'Communist' countries and dismantling of the USSR; the reunification of Germany; the German-French political (not just economical) alliance; a capitalist economy in the people's Republic of China; Ha'tikvah officially sung in an Arab country; etc. Once one studies history, one understands that the phrase 'foreseeable future' is absolutely meaningless.Politically-incorrect Politicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17497370574189073046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post-15298392389390702612019-09-03T03:05:55.199-07:002019-09-03T03:05:55.199-07:00Interesting article concerning dependencies. I sup...Interesting article concerning dependencies. I suppose the primary issue would concern harm done to Israel's international standing, where the anti-Israel brigades would label such a dependency a "giant bantustan". It would not matter in the slightest that similar systems exist in other states that are from being Apartheid in nature.Robert Harrishttp://eirael.blogspot.com/?m=1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post-36846127788497151602019-09-02T00:45:23.067-07:002019-09-02T00:45:23.067-07:00Thank you for the comment, Anonymous. However, I ...Thank you for the comment, Anonymous. However, I believe it is factually incorrect. As I mentioned in the article, in almost every ‘island’ — not just in Hong Kong and not just in relation to the extradition law — there is (sometimes very strong) opposition to the current ‘arrangements’. They were definitely NOT put in place with ‘the consent of the governed’, but through coercion, either explicit or implied.<br />That is not to say that I advocate coercion; or indeed that I advocate any of the ‘models’ described. All I’m saying is that there are, in principle, many possibilities. ‘In principle’: while I do not expect the current Palestinian leadership to accept any such ‘arrangement’, it must also be said that they are also not expected to accept an independent state under any set of conditions acceptable to Israel. There is no more ‘consent’ for the two state solution than for any other arrangement. We’re it not so, we would already have peace. After all, more than 25 years have passed since Oslo. And neither Trump nor Netanyahu have been leaders through all those years. We can try the same thing for 30 years, rather than 25, but it strikes me as being even more desperate a step than Theresa May placing the same Brexit deal before the Commons again & again & again... Politically-incorrect Politicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17497370574189073046noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1836526913826772207.post-66070404280789829002019-09-01T23:30:21.337-07:002019-09-01T23:30:21.337-07:00In all your cases, the population generally consen...In all your cases, the population generally consent to being "governed". Of course there are issues in Hong Kong which pertain to the implementation of Basic Law, but this is a separate matter and has arisen given the change that is due to take place in 2047.<br /><br />In Israel, it appears that there is a significant population that does not wish to be governed. Therefore I don't see that the analogy with those other states holds.<br /><br />Consent of the governed will remain an essential feature and without it - Israel will either need to annex and provide full citizenship rights, or alternatively allow for full autonomy and enfranchisement. The alternative is on-going civil unrest, violence and dissent. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com